Digital copy of the transcript of a tape recorded interview with Witness 43 in the interview room at Rouge Bouillon Police Station in the presence of Detective Constable Steven Monaghan and Detective Constable Paul Carr. [Some details redacted].

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July 18th 2008 - July 18th 2008

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Starts with an overview of Witness 43's background. Born in 1965 at the Maternity Hospital and placed at Haut de la Garenne shortly after birth, citing mother's admission to St Saviour's Hospital. Moved to Northcott Road Villas [Norcott Villa Family Group Home] aged 6 or 7, referring to proximity to and attendance at Plat Douet School. Returned to Haut de la Garenne after a couple of years at [Norcott Villa]. Recollections of first spell at Haut de la Garenne, mentioning the crèche and A Group. Comments on [reports] that the Beast of Jersey [Edward Paisnel] used to visit Haut de la Garenne, noting that timeline coincides with Witness 43's time at the home. Also includes recollections of staff at [Norcott Villa], describing an abusive environment, referring to physical abuse in the form of corporal punishment and neglect. Mentions long-term physical symptoms of abuse including a scar. Discusses attendance at Plat Douet School [whilst at Norcott Villa] and St Martin's School whilst at Haut de la Garenne. Includes recollections of teachers at St Martin's School, including the headmistress, Mr de Gruchy and Mr G. Recollections of the property at Haut de la Garenne, including room layout. Describes sexual abuse [by older male resident] at Haut de la Garenne when Witness 43 was in B Group aged 10 or 11 and subsequently reporting abuse to a female member of staff and Mr [Jim] Thomson [Superintendent]. Also refers to physical abuse by a male member of staff, mentioning emotionally abusive aspect of punishment and witnesses to incident. Describes running away from Haut de la Garenne and attempting to steal a van before being caught on Le Squez Estate. Subsequently placed into detention room at Haut de la Garenne for 3 days. Describes detention rooms, referring to location in the home, facilities therein and bulletproof glass. Recalls a girl being placed in a detention room for two or three weeks for misbehaviour. Refers to physical abuse by staff against children in detention rooms. Memories of a male member of staff. Recollections of being punished for being caught smoking whilst at Haut de la Garenne. Gives details of physical abuse by Morag [Jordan, née Kidd]. Refers to death of a boy whilst in residence at Haut de la Garenne in a fire in a bunker, commenting on the boy's mental health and the cause of death as suicide. Refers to short-lived foster placement at a property in First Tower, recalling sexual abuse by a male. Recalls reporting abuse, mentioning Mr [Jim] Thomson, and a male and a female member of staff at Haut de la Garenne. Describes moving back to Haut de la Garenne after reporting abuse whilst in foster care, staying until the age of 15. Moved to a property owned by a married couple, commenting on nature of care arrangement. Gives details of sexual abuse by the brother of a male member of staff at the institution, referring to living arrangements of alleged abuser. Refers to conviction aged 18 for indecent assault against children and subsequent imprisonment at [HM Prison] La Moye and probation. Comments on soundness of his conviction. Details of sexual abuse by a colleague after leaving Haut de la Garenne. Comments on process of leaving Haut de la Garenne, referring to psychological impact and lack of support provided after leaving care. Moved into a bedsit [owned by the States of Jersey] after leaving Haut de la Garenne. Describes attempt to purchase a property on Trinity Hill aged 24 or 25, commenting on nature of the housing system in Jersey. Recollections of life after leaving Jersey for the United Kingdom aged [30], referring to relationship history, children of his own and employment. Comments on experiences of contact with the Police. Refers to contact with siblings whilst in care, stating that they were in Dunluce whilst Witness 43 was in Claymore at Haut de la Garenne. Mentions alcoholism of sister and disappearance of brother. Includes recollections of his other brother, mentioning him being sent to a borstal and involvement in crime in later life. Interview finishes with recollection of assaulting a female member of staff at Dunluce at Haut de la Garenne.


Carr, Paul, Detective Constable
de Gruchy, Mr
Paisnel, Edward
Jordan, Morag Louise, née Kidd
Monaghan, Stephen, Detective Constable
Thomson, Jim
Haut de la Garenne
HM Prison, La Moye
Norcott Villa Family Group Home
Plat Douet School
States of Jersey
St Martin's School
St Saviour's Hospital
States of Jersey Police


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