Digital copy of Record of Interview with Witness 195 in the presence of Civilian Investigator Brian Carter and Civilian Investigator John McMahon. [Some details redacted]. For Witness 195's witness statements to the States of Jersey Police dated between 2003 and 2009, see C/D/AW1/B1/2/1/19.

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July 27th 2009 - July 27th 2009

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Provides information about Witness 195 including year of birth. Starts with Civilian Investigaot Carter outlining the purpose of the interview as in relation to an alleged abuser of Witness 195 whilst he was a resident of the children's home Haut de la Garenne. Describes Witness 195's emotional response upon reading through his witness statement provided to the police in December 2003 [C/D/AW1/B1/2/1/19/WS000200]. Comments on accuracy of dates provided by Witness 195 in his original statement to the Police. Recalls being aged 6 when he first went to the Home [Haut de la Garenne], noting that attendance at Grouville School between the ages of 6 and 11 coincided with time at Haut de la Garenne. Also refers to brief period of attendance at Vauxhall School. Recalls living at Haut de la Garenne between the ages of 6 and 14, citing mother's illness as reason for placement at the home. Describes being removed from St Helier Boys' School aged 14 to be sent to an approved school. Includes references by Civilian Investigator Carter to Witness 195's personal file, noting recorded date of Witness 195's first spell at Haut de la Garenne as being between July 1963 and August 1963 due to mother's hospitalisation. Refers to second stay at Haut de la Garenne between May 1964 and September 1966 for being beyond parental control, return home to parents and committal by the Royal Court shortly after. Refers to sexual abuse by a male visitor to Haut de la Garenne on weekends over a period of three years starting shortly after Witness 195 arrived at Haut de la Garenne. Recalls occasions on which the man would take Witness 195 and other children out in his car, mentioning a trip to the beach at Anne Port. Describes seeing the man at Haut de la Garenne after the abuse stopped, and recollections of other children that Witness 195 remembers the man also taking out, noting trips out on the man's speedboat. Recalls sexual abuse by [Thomas] Hamon starting shortly after abuse by the man stopped. Gives details of sexual abuse by the man on his boat, in his car near a hotel and in the kitchen in the man's house. Comments on the closeness of the man's relationship with members of staff at Haut de la Garenne and recollections of the man's wife. Provides an estimate of the number of instances of sexual abuse by the man and physical symptoms of abuse such as bleeding. Refers to being diagnosed with hemorrhoids by his doctor at 11 David Place. Explains not being able to report abuse to anyone, citing fear of not being believed or being subjected to physical abuse. Recalls suicide of friend in whom Witness 195 confided about the sexual abuse he suffered at the hands of the man in his house, on his boat and at a hotel. Describes encouragement of friend to report his abuser. Discusses visits and home visits, recalling parents visiting him at Haut de la Garenne one or twice a month and occasional visits home. Also refers to visits to the home of the man. Refers to Witness 195's CICB [Criminal Injuries Compensation Board] claim for compensation, commenting on age of Witness 195 when the abuse was happening and frequency of visits out with his alleged abuser, noting that Witness 195's personal file records Witness 195 as only going out with the man five times. Also comments on frequency of home visits to parents as recorded in his personal file, suggesting possible falsification of his records. Includes Witness 195's recollections of events recorded in his personal file. Includes comments about incidents of running away, falling in a harbour, an assault at Gorey Castle, helping a lady home with her shopping, an incident at Jersey Pottery and going to France. Recalls a friend being abused in the Castle and comments on whether he himself was being abused at the time of each incident mentioned. Description of child grooming by the man. Refers to transfer from the junior group through to the senior group at Haut de la Garenne in reference to chronology of his age at each transfer, abuse by the man and death of his friend. Comments on contradiction between Witness 195's memories of his time at Haut de la Garenne and what is recorded in his personal file. Gives details of sexual abuse by the man in a cinema, noting instances whereby the man would sexually abuse him whilst another child was present. Recalls that his alleged abuser adopted this child and comments on whether the man's wife knew of the abuse. Discusses his alleged abuser's marriage to and relationship with his wife. Includes discussion about employment as a child, including recollection of stealing money from one employer, suggesting that someone else stole the money. Reiterates confusion surrounding time and dates of certain events. Finishes with querying frequency of home visits as recorded in his personal file.


Carter, Brian, Civilian Investigator
Hamon, Thomas Charles
McMahon, John, Civilian Investigator
Criminal Injuries Compensation Board
Grouville School
Haut de la Garenne
Jersey Potteries
Mont Orgueil
Royal Court
States of Jersey Police
St Helier Boys' School
Vauxhall School


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