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Digital copy of the Transcript of a Tape Recorded Interview with Witness 188 in the Interview Room at Summerland Police Station in the presence of Civilian Investigator Brian Carter and Detective Constable Lynn Lang. [Some details redacted]. For Witness 188's witness statement to the States of Jersey Police dated 10 January 2008, see C/D/AW1/B1/2/2/19/WS000372.
January 10th 2008 - January 10th 2008
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1. Transcript of Tape 1 Starts with Civilian Investigator Carter outlining the purpose of the interview, noting that he is a member of the team conducting an investigation into historic institutional child abuse, noting belief that Witness 188 may be able to help the Police with their enquiries. Outlines voluntary nature of the interview. Refers to initial contact made by Carter to Witness 188 having spoken to Witness 188's relatives to explain the Police investigation into historical abuse at [Haut de la Garenne] children's home. Includes a discussion about Witness 188's family background and events leading up to him being placed into Haut de la Garenne. Refers to the circumstances of Witness 188 and his siblings being placed in Haut de la Garenne, citing mother's inability to cope with her children following the death of Witness 188's father when Witness 188 was aged 5. Recalls staying at Haut de la Garenne until the age 13, 14 or 15 before being transferred to Basil Lodge [Boys' Hostel] in Clarendon Road. Includes comments about his brothers and sisters, referring to the deaths of some of his siblings. Notes that his brother is missing and attempts by his family to find him by contacting the Salvation Army. Describes Basil Lodge as a place for boys of school-leaving age entering employment that provided help to adjust to adult life and acquiring accommodation. Describes leaving Basil Lodge as soon as he was old enough to leave and subsequently leaving the childcare system, noting that he lived in cars and tents for a period. Refers to development drink and drug habits, noting how he left Jersey after the situation deteriorated. Cites physical, emotional and sexual abuse suffered during his childhood at Haut de la Garenne as reason for drink and drug taking. Recalls being angry and violent after leaving Basil Lodge, noting how he took his aggression on his wife's ex-partner after witnessing him physically assault her, stating his inability to tolerate physical abuse due to his own experiences of abuse during his childhood. Describes self-harming between the ages of 14 and 16, citing abuse suffered at Haut de la Garenne as reason for doing so. Refers to sexual abuse by Tony Watton, commenting on how he differed to how people perceived him. Comments on Watton's connection to Haut de la Garenne, mentioning his relationship with Morag Kidd, a member of staff, commenting on instability of the relationship. Recalls being sexually abused by Watton in tents on camping trips at the rifle range near Grève de Lecq and in his bedroom at Haut de la Garenne on 30 to 40 occasions between the ages of 6 and 13 or 14. Notes that abuse at Haut de la Garenne would always occur at night, descibring routine of Watton's abuse. Notes that Watton would visit Haut de la Garenne when Kidd was off duty. States that abuse ceased only when he was old enough to fight back verbally. Recalls running away from Haut de la Garenne on multiple occasions from the age of 7 because of the abuse he was suffering. Recalls pulling up floorboards to hide for a couple of hours, noting that this area was accessed via the air vents on the outside of the building at Haut de la Garenne. Recalls running away to the bunkers, noting that he would absent from anywhere between a couple of hours to 3 or 4 days. Recalls that other children would leave food for him under the hedges of the boundary of Haut de la Garenne when he ran away. Notes how staff and police would look for him when he ran away. Includes recollections of day-to-day life at Haut de la Garenne. Recalls being made to watch the news by staff after tea and when he was in the intermediates, noting that refusal led to restrictions on freedom to choose what to do and when to leave. Refers to chores and limited access to the pool as punishment. Describes being physically abused by Mr [Gordon] Wateridge whilst at Haut de la Garenne. Mentions Wateridge's army background and how this was reflected in his regimental approach, including physical abuse. Recalls Wateridge tipping him out of his bed at night. Recalls being aged 13 or 14 when Wateridge abused him. Recalls his bedwetting habit whilst at Haut de la Garenne, noting he would change his own bed and sheets without staff being aware. Describes being unable to sleep after wetting the bed, describing sleeplessness when [Watton] was around. Recalls that as he got older he would be placed in the detention room upon being returned to Haut de la Garenne after absconding. Describes usual routine upon being returned to Haut de la Garenne after running away. Also includes description of the detention room, including approximate dimensions and facilities therein. States to be aware of other boys who were placed in the detention room for days, noting that he only ever was in the detention room for a couple of hours. Also includes recollections of other children in residence, including groups of siblings, noting that they were a similar age to him. Recalls witnessing two residents self-harming. Describes lack of conversation about his experiences of abuse with members of his family. Refers to recent conversation with his brother who tried to ask Witness 188 about his experiences and his response to state that he did not what to talk about it. Also refers to conversation with his mother and advice given to him by her. Refers to impact in terms of his relationship with his wife, describing putting the decision to talk to his wife about what had happened. Expresses relief that everything has come to light after such a long period of time. Refers to alcoholism because of abuse suffered. Includes positive recollections of his time at Haut de la Garenne, referring to members of staff. Includes comments about Mr [Colin] Tilbrook, describing him as hard, referencing separation from his siblings. Includes positive memories of some members of staff, including the husband of a female member of staff whom he has continued to keep in contact with. Asserts to have never received counselling and response by Carter highlighting that the Police's close work with the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children throughout the enquiry and counselling services available to Witness 188. Refers to being separated from his siblings into different groups at Haut de la Garenne. 2. Transcript of Tape 2 Refers to secret contact with his sister who was adopted by the family of one of her friends, noting how her adopted family did not want her to have anything to do with Witness 188's family. Describes lack of closeness within his family, referring to the impact of their upbringing at Haut de la Garenne on the family. Refers to being separated from his siblings into different groups at Haut de la Garenne. Recalls that Dickie Davenport was his Child Care Officer, referring to periods whereby Davenport has been helpful to him. Refers to Davenport telling him that the personal file relating to his time at Haut de la Garenne had been burnt in a fire. Describes contact with Davenport after leaving Haut de la Garenne as limited, noting that he contacted Davenport in order to be removed from the childcare system.
Carter, Brian, Civilian Investigator
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