Digital copy of the Transcript of Part 1 of a Tape Recorded Interview with Witness 125 at Summerland Police Station, Rouge Bouillon in the presence of Civilian Investigator Graeme Ogilvie, Detective Constable Alex Le Chevalier and another individual. [Some details redacted].

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April 8th 2009 - April 8th 2009

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Starts with Graeme Ogilvie outlining his background as a Civilian Investigator with the States of Jersey Police. Outlines purpose of the interview being to ask Witness 125 additional questions that were not asked previously. Includes comments about Witness 125's family, including his aunt, mother and stepbrothers on his father's side. Refers to the breakdown of his parents' relationship before he was born, stating to have never had any contact with his father. Refers to [a female individual] being at Haut de la Garenne when Mr [Jim] Thomson was there. Includes recollections of other children in residence during his time at Haut de la Garenne, stating to be unable to recall whether an individual had been present during any assaults. Uses the phrases lime pits, dungeons and lion pits to describe the detention cells in which residents would be locked up. Includes comments about remarks made by Witness 125 during a previous interview with Mick Pick and Corin Barker about a fire at Haut de la Garenne caused by another resident, stating that this resident refused to go onto the fire engine ladder [C/D/AW1/A3/6/2/11/WD002191]. Includes comments by Ogilvie referring to record showing that this resident died in 1993. Includes response of Witness 125 to assert that he did not fabricate this particular disclosure, reiterating details of the incident as he remembers it including location of the fire. Includes Witness 125's recollections of the layout of the building at Haut de la Garenne. Includes comments about other children in residence whilst Witness 125 was at Haut de la Garenne, including friends of his. Recalls being physically abused by members of staff including Tony Jordan as punishment for wetting the bed. Recalls being sick as a result of abuse by Jordan. States to be unaware if any other individual witnessed abuse by Jordan. Comments on the location and frequency of abuse by Jordan. Includes question by Ogilvie about residents at Haut de la Garenne losing teeth. Includes recollections by Witness 125 about what would happen to these teeth. Includes assertion by Witness 125 that he does not keep in contact with anyone from Haut de la Garenne and to have not told his wife or any other individuals about his experiences in care at Haut de la Garenne. Includes conversation about Witness 125's history of contact with the States of Jersey Police regarding the Historic Abuse Inquiry. Asserts to not be a member of the [Jersey] Care Leavers Association or any related groups on any social media including Facebook. States to have not spoken to the press about his experiences. Recalls going camping whilst at Haut de la Garenne and to not having any photographs of his time at the Home. [For the Transcript of Part 2 of this Tape Recorded Interview with Witness 125, see C/D/AW1/A3/6/2/11/WD002187].


Barker, Corin
Jordan, Anthony
Jordan, Morag
Le Chevalier, Alexandra, Detective Constable
Ogilvie, Graeme
Pick, Michael, Civilian Investigator
Thomson, Jim
Haut de la Garenne
Jersey Care Leavers' Association
Operation Rectangle
States of Jersey Police
Summerland Police Station


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